Meet Your Co-Host: Zack Hartle

Jason Cox: 0:00

Hey welcome to Watt's the Word. Thanks for tuning in today. Special episode if you listened to our last episode, you might have an idea of what we're talking about today. Today we are joined by my co host, Zack Hartle, Zack Hartle Welcome to Watt's the Word, Jason. Jason. Jason, it's good to be here. I'm glad to see you again. I have not seen you in two weeks. This is, uh, where does the time go?

Zack Hartle: 0:26

I don't know. It seems to be just disappearing this year. That's for sure.

Jason Cox: 0:31

All right, so in our last episode, we got together we talked about introducing myself as a co host in got my little bit of my background and a little bit of the reasons behind my interest in the podcast. So of course, we're turning the tables this week, we're going to ask you the harder questions, the more deep and probing questions we want to know about Zack Hartle. So Zack, in previous episodes, we talked about the rap program, and you happen to mention that you actually were a rap student. And I was curious about how you got into the trade and what your decision was at such a young age to actually move into the trades, especially the electrical trades, so So can you kind of tell us hey, what were you thinking back then?

Zack Hartle: 1:13

Yeah, for sure. So the wrap program here in Alberta registered apprenticeship program, like we talked about with Chelsea, it's an it's an opportunity for high school students to enter a trade or apprenticeship and work for a company and gain hours towards their first year apprenticeship. So there's really good companies out there that are willing to take on these high school students and teach them. And then it's a really cool program that the schools offer as well and like through careers to the next generation and stuff like that. And really, I mean, you asked how I chose electric I didn't, there was no, there was no choosing for me. It was like, I was in high school, I had really supportive parents, they weren't, they wasn't you have to go to university or anything like that. It was a you have to try something, you have to do something. And I was a little under motivated under interested in high school. So my grades weren't Gray, and I didn't like it that much. And I had a buddy who was doing carpentry. And he knew he wanted to be a carpenter. Like dad was a carpenter uncle was a carpenter. So he did the rap program, because he was like, Why do shop class at school when I can go literally frame houses? So he did that in grade 11 and made a bunch of money. And I was like, Well, that seems kind of cool. Maybe I'll try something. So, you know, go to the student counselor, and they're like, here, fill out this test. And I would do like a 20 question quiz. And they come back and they're like, here's your recommended trades, and it was like locksmith, and electrician, and I don't know, maybe refrigeration mechanic or something like that. Right? They came back with the top three. And I was like, Well, I don't know anything about any of those. And she's like, and the counselor just said, Well, we have an electrical company who I think we could get a placement with. Does that sound okay? Yep. And then, here I am. So I started with a company. I was 16. I worked six months of high school, like for half of grade 12. So yeah, before I graduated high school, I heard already had 1100 hours towards my first year apprenticeship.

Jason Cox: 3:24

Holy smokes, so expedited that into graduating and then right after that you were just into the trade then. Yeah, it

Zack Hartle: 3:34

was pretty cool experience. Like, yeah, I worked like the summer plus the September to December like I remember it. And I mean, it was tough, right? As a 16. Year like 16 year old kid like, that shapes you for sure, right? Like, whether you want to say it toughens you up like I mean, we were talking 15 years ago at this point, right? So yeah, like, toughens you up?

Jason Cox: 4:00

You know, just but I mean, that's, those are, it's all about experiences, too. So yeah, we say, yeah, it toughens you up, because it's, it's definitely a dose of reality, too. So you kind of get some perspective on society and stuff

Zack Hartle: 4:12

like and having to wake up every day at 530 to drive to work like just like, when I say toughens up I don't mean, like, people were mean or anything like I just mean like, it was life. You had to wake up at a time and go to work and work at like, I'd never put in an eight hour day and physical labor. I remember my first day was like, you know, first year on a big new construction, it was digging trenches, like I don't trenches for like, I don't know, the first six months I was there. But it was like, I remember going home the first day, it was like 6pm and I went to bed. I was like, I've never worked a full day work in my whole life. Right. So it's just a different experience. Right?

Jason Cox: 4:49

I often hope and kind of wish that there was those opportunities for for young people just to be exposed to industry like in some sort of co op like that. Maybe they don't have to be locked. into one trade per se for ever. But I mean, just an experience, like, similar to what you did, but maybe you do a month as a locksmith a month as the electrician. I think that'd be so beneficial to people. I mean, to give you some perspective of what's going on there.

Zack Hartle: 5:17

Something I think it's coming like, I think it's getting better even in the last. I don't know, since I did it right, you hear more and more about it. Like it was not advertised at my school, I literally had to go to my guidance counselor and say, This is what I want to do. And they were like, Oh, well, I guess so. And then kind of like, had to learn it. Now. I think there's a lot more support for getting into the trade at a young age.

Jason Cox: 5:41

Yeah, well, I mean, in the last, I don't know, I guess decade, I mean, social media, the internet. Now it's easier to get that information out. Right. Whereas before it was definitely learn from a friend through a friend. Right. Right. So through the rap program, obviously, you weren't scared of the trade. It sounds like it was a different type of learning. In that training, you're also a member of the skills team. See, I know that you were very successful in the your skills, competitions. What pushed you into doing those competitions?

Zack Hartle: 6:13

Yeah, so the provincial skills and further on from that, I guess. Honestly, that was another one of those things, or it wasn't really planned. It wasn't something I searched out. And I consider myself very lucky in my apprenticeship. And I'm truly grateful for the experiences. But I was just hanging out one day at I just finished first year school. And I got a phone call from somebody. I can't even remember who and they just asked, Hey, we noticed you were an electrician born, you know, before or I guess after this date, would you be interested in competing in a skills competition? And I was like, Well, I don't know. I don't know if I can get time off work. Like I didn't know a whole lot about it. And I spoke with my company, it was like, Hey, I got a call from this person. And they actually knew about it a little more than I did. And they're okay, it's a great opportunity, you should go. And as you mentioned, I was super young and like just come out of first year school. And I had, I'm not complaining at all but I had really only dug trenches and glued together PVC conduit for a year like I knew there was so much more to the trade seeing a couple other things going on around me with like the temporary power hookups and stuff. So I knew there was more to it. But I hadn't experienced at all yet. And so I went to this competition knowing pretty little and I did very, very poorly my first year but it was such an eye opening experience. I competed in what's now called industrial control. So wiring up an automated control sequence on some hardware that you install limit switches and pressure sensors back to a PLC and a cabinet. And then even programming that PLC so obviously I didn't know what a PLC was, at that point, like I was like, clueless when I arrived, I actually thought I would be competing in the residential wiring one. So I kind of like looked up a little bit on the internet about how to strip lumax and stuff like that. I got there and maybe my own fault for not like getting more information. But that was kind of how it started. And then the year after are still eligible. So I went back with a I don't know, I guess a hunger to learn more. So

Jason Cox: 8:26

yeah, then a taste for success. I guess because you were successful. You were a local, provincial and national medalist as far as I believe. Is that correct?

Zack Hartle: 8:36

Yeah, for sure. So because I was young enough, my first year, I knew what to expect kind of the second year. So I spoken with some of my instructors at the technical institute where I was doing my training. And they were super supportive. There was a couple guys and when me one in particular really just took me under his wing and trained me right would spend hours training on the stuff and yeah, eventually I was able to go back and actually two years in a row, I was a gold medalist in Alberta, and then went to a national competition. One year placing, I don't know, not winning, and then actually the final year of my age eligibility I did went gold provincials nationals, and then was able to go compete in Germany, as well at the World Skills level.

Jason Cox: 9:25

And of course, I was going to just allude to what was the highlight of your skills experience, and I would think all expenses paid trip to Germany probably is at the top of that list.

Zack Hartle: 9:36

Oh, yeah, definitely. It was like I mean, a highlight. It's a I mean, for anyone who's listening Who's heard of or seen the provincial or even the National Skills Competition. The world's is just like a whole other level. It's like 25,000 people walking through this giant stadium for day long competition. I, obviously in a different country with a different primary language. So yeah, it was definitely a highlight of that whole experience. But just the, even the training for it. I mean, I was fortunate enough again, the company I worked for was very generous, they gave me lots of time to train and kind of tailored a little bit of my work towards training for the competition.

Jason Cox: 10:22

Was there anything like any observations or anything you you any takeaways from that trip to Germany that maybe changed the way that you worked as an electrician? Did you find any hints or anything or

Zack Hartle: 10:38

I don't know, if there was anything like, at the competition that I really took away. I mean, you're like, so focused on the competition, that you don't have time to look around. But just in that training process, I really got into like the groove of trying to find efficient ways to do things. And I really brought a lot of that back with me, after the competition to try and increase my efficiency and my workflow in the field and try and get, you know, tasks done in a more efficient manner. Right. I mean, you think back to all the times you like, to three trips up a ladder to do something and like you do at a competition. You're not going to finish the competition. Right? So just a lot of that,

Jason Cox: 11:21

I guess. Yeah. Well, we did host WorldSkills in Calgary, I'm gonna guess it was a decade ago. And, and you could see just even some of the equipment that the competitors were using in electrical was a little different to some efficiencies, like I saw guys with almost like a pouch on their hand where they could pull out terminating screwdrivers, and there was magnetic magnetic bands on their on their arms just for for speed. Yeah, definitely,

Zack Hartle: 11:54

like the magnetic wristband for the screws and like, you have specialized tools. And yeah, I mean, you talked about WorldSkills 2009 was the one in Calgary. And yeah, it's all based upon European standards. So you're WorldSkills is more of a European organization. So a lot of the equipment and material and tool are, and products that they use are more of a European style wiring method than a North American style wiring method. So it's, it's a pretty big learning curve, right? Like, you wouldn't think it but even there, like plastic wire molded wire management tray, you know, kind of like our finger duct over there has no fingers. There's no spaces, but it like it cuts differently. You know, it's like thinner and more malleable. And it just kind of everything's a little bit just different.

Jason Cox: 12:47

Yeah, there's clearly a difference in electrical installations in Europe versus North America. I mean, you would have noticed that while you were in Europe, and I'm guessing as well, I know, I've noticed over the years as well. So coming back from your skills competition, you then of course, you're now a journeyman electrician. I know that you are an instructor now teaching apprenticeship. But one of the things I want to ask you about is Have you always been so tech savvy? Is that something that maybe started as you were exploring? PLCs? Or is it something you've kind of always just followed?

Zack Hartle: 13:25

Um, yeah, I mean, if you mentioned PLCs I actually, I do not like programming PLCs I get why people like it. I can't say I don't know what it is about it. I, it's not for me. I think I just have the age and of the generation and I had computers and I like computers. And, you know, I think you can use computers very efficiently for different things. So yeah, no, specific tech savviness. I just, I don't know, something we use all the time. Well,

Jason Cox: 13:55

I'm gonna just kind of bore down on this a little more now. Because, I mean, not that it's sophisticated technology. But I mean, there are like, you've got quite the portfolio on the internet for instructional videos. You've got videos ranging from Do It Yourself stuff at home, to electrical to even just simple ways to work with online software. Where did that come from? Where did that interest come from? For you to get involved in that?

Zack Hartle: 14:28

I think it's just like you're talking I started you have a YouTube channel, which obviously is what you're talking about, which I mean, check out the link in the description below everyone like and subscribe, please everyone who's listening. Or you may be watching this video there. Yeah, I think for me, it just, there's, through instructing and through teaching people how to do things. There's got to be a better way than trying to meet face to face to cover simple topics and a lot of the stuff I have on there it started as just like okay, These are problems that students have often. Or maybe this is something I wish we had an extra 20 minutes or an hour to spend on in class or something that maybe students really want to see more examples of and, you know, a group of instructors that we work with, kind of started filming these videos that can be supplemental resources. And, yeah, I mean, I really enjoyed it. And I get very positive feedback from students. My students, as well as from other groups, I think they just liked it. And so I it wasn't a huge amount of work. So I just kept kind of building that portfolio, I guess, the videos and helping it grow, and then as teaching shifted to online, I mean, what better way to teach someone how to use a computer than to show them? Right You know, we I got the students coming online who don't know how to use the computer very well that Microsoft programs or whatever efficiently. What better way than to just show a quick video film it? I mean, there's lots of stuff out there that speaks to those things. But I think building content ourselves, us as instructors, we can narrow in on exactly what our students need, there's no fluff, there's no additional there's no, you know, methods for doing it. This is how you we think is best to be successful in our program.

Jason Cox: 16:23

So Zack, you're a master electrician, you have a instructor diploma from Vancouver Community College, and you recently completed a business certificate, is that correct?

Zack Hartle: 16:39

Yeah. Within the last couple of years, I finished a certificate of business skills. Through Thompson Rivers University, that was a good program. And that has I mean, I've applied that towards a blue seal endorsement or a blue seal here in Alberta, right business competencies certificate. And yeah, that was a cool experience. So yeah, I do have one.

Jason Cox: 17:05

So red seal and blue seal. Jealous. What what are some of the takeaways? Obviously, we are talking in our podcast, they we always say that anyone can be an electrician, anyone can pull the wire, but it's really hard to run that business. What is it? What have you learned in your business training? Like that was a really important Eye Opener or key takeaway.

Zack Hartle: 17:31

I think that like to sum it up in one sentence, for me, it would be hire an accountant. Like, no matter what scale of business, if you're more than a one man crew, I think that there's so much to that, you know, business side of things. And the tax side of things like two of the courses I took were related to like, accounting and tax, and it was just, it's so tough to keep on top of sub B, my advice to anyone is like, yes, maybe take something like the blue seal requirements to get a little bit of that lingo and a little bit of that knowledge. But I mean, what it really taught me was if you're, if you're focusing on your electrical business, don't spend time focusing on your accounting. That's not where your strength is, right?

Jason Cox: 18:17

Yeah, and I mean, your your whole idea of if you're running a contracting business, you want to be the one that's out making the money with that business, not limiting yourself doing the day to day stuff. So yeah, maybe hiring an accountant is a really good idea. I think the business certificate just makes sense. If you wanted to run a contracting business, right, you need to have the tools to run a business the same way you need the tools to do an electrical job. Was that kind of some of the motivation you used in in your thought process to doing that? That education, Zack,

Zack Hartle: 18:54

I had no specific goal to take it and then I immediately started business after anything like that. I think for me, it's just I've kind of been on a constant track of always trying to learn something above and beyond what I'm currently doing, you know, like, with the Masters with the provincial instructor diploma with this, it's just, I think that trade has opened so many more doors for me, I think if you can spend a little bit of time, you know, learning this and learning that or picking up new skills along the way you can maybe, I don't know, open up some bigger doors, or at the very least just keep yourself engaged in in learning. So for me, it just was something that popped up was like, oh, what this business certificate and I was like, Yeah, okay, that sounds interesting. And a lot of the courses sounded exciting. So I looked into it.

Jason Cox: 19:45

And so that was it. Was that a two year a two year program? No,

Zack Hartle: 19:49

it was a, I guess, a one year like a one step below a diploma with the potential to transfer in if I wanted to in the future and who knows What's what's gonna happen? It's not off the out of the question for sure.

Jason Cox: 20:04

So we have a lot of electricians right now that I mean, they're all journeyman. Most of them are red seal. Would this be the kind of program that you'd recommend to a journeyman, something for them to continue their education? Maybe to help them move somewhere else in industry? Maybe they want to get off the tools and get into the office with that, would that be a beneficial program for them? Yeah,

Zack Hartle: 20:27

I think there's a couple different traps, right, really, depending on what you're doing. I mean, we've talked about and I know, we're gonna have guests on the show, and one more of a professional electrical contractor, designation, what through the ECA, Electrical Contractors Association of Alberta, something like that might be great to get a little bit more of a broad view. I mean, there's project management certificates, if you want to go the project management stream, there's courses on estimating out there if you want to become an estimator. And you can also transfer into like, Electrical Engineering Technology, if you like the more technical side of things, or power systems engineer or things like that, like there's just so many paths. And what drew me to this one is that I didn't have to pick a path. Really, it was kind of like, oh, well, that'll help me if I ever go into this program, or help me if I go into this program. But yeah, I think there's a lot of options, right? I mean, no, the sky's the limit with the trade. I think it's not, you're not just an electrician, and I hate that statement. And from students. I mean, we hear the thing all the time, and a little bit of a tangent here, but they say, oh, seven days, 100. It just makes me die a little bit inside, because I'm like, What are you talking about? Is this is this it for you is, is being an electrician, it for you? And if it is, that's cool, that's so fine. And like, if you love it, and it makes you happy, then that's awesome. But don't limit yourself to what could come in the future. I mean, when I applied to this certificate program, I was shocked. They wanted no high school marks or anything like that. It was like give us a resume. And any schooling you've done in the last 10 years or whatever, right. So it wasn't my high school marks that went in. And I tell the story to our young apprentices that come through the program. It's not my high school marks they wanted it was my trade school mark. So seven days, not 107 7070. Like I think that's pretty clear. And that mentality, I think, is something that can be fixed in our apprentice Yes, right.

Jason Cox: 22:34

Well, two things. I mean, that's a great point. You bring that up, too, because yeah, like what I said last time, when I applied for university as well, I was paranoid that I wouldn't get in. And yeah, they they did go back and they used all of my technical marks from when I went to need and sate. So yeah, you gotta I mean, you definitely want to achieve as high as possible. Strive for high marks, right? learn lots, because this might not be your only job. So

Zack Hartle: 23:04

and that's I think, I mean, I don't remember the stat off the top of my head. And I mean, it's probably different every time we read it, but they're like, oh, they want in for electricians as an electrician after 10 years? Well, they're not just like, doing something completely unrelated, right? It can be such a pathway into all of these great careers. I mean, instructing obviously, is a good career or project management or construction management or building management or labor relations or, or right, like the list goes on. I think that the skill set you can develop, if you strive to in your career as an electrician is helpful in so many different trades, right? There's leadership and everything that we're doing, right. There's business side leadership, you know, a lot of soft skills,

Jason Cox: 23:53

communications, for sure. As I interrupt you, yeah. Communications is important. But But yeah, I mean, that's, that's a really good point. To kind of just say that, yeah, don't go for that seven years. 100. I always, I always bugged students about that, too. When they say seven days. 100 I go. It certainly isn't when the electrical inspector comes to look at your job site. He's not looking for 70 He's looking for 100 Hey, so Zack, we started this podcast this summer. But credit is all yours on the idea of the podcast. How did you come up with the idea of having your own podcast based on the electrical industry?

Zack Hartle: 24:35

I guess it started with, I mean, as we talked about the YouTube channel and how I've kind of experienced that reach to people and I've gotten a lot of feedback from that from people saying, Yeah, this is great. This is exactly what I needed. And I listened to a lot of podcasts. And it's this that that comment of this is exactly what I needed. And you know, I was searching one day for some electrical podcast, you know, maybe find something Interesting and there wasn't anything that I was looking for, you know, there was some technical stuff, a little bit of stuff from the state. So all NEC kind of unrelated, some really technical stuff out of Ontario. Things like that. And I just wanted something that was like, would teach me something else, something new about the industry. I wasn't looking for the technical side of things. We talked about that all day, every day for work. And that's kind of where it started was like, let's just bring people together in our trade. Like, there's so many good people involved in the industry. And, you know, so many people that I haven't met or that I can learn so much from. And then that I was like, oh, man, I can't do that alone. That sounds terrible. I can't think of good questions to ask people. And here we are, I kind of told you one day, let's do it. And as we mentioned, you committed to three episodes. And yeah, you're totally right. I mean, I hadn't thought about that until we did our episode together. But we kind of recorded three and then we're like, Okay, what's the fourth one? There was never that discussion of, okay, are we going to continue doing this? It was okay, what's next? And I just, I remember that day, we went for coffee. And as I was a command, man, let's do three episodes. We'll see if people like it. And then you're like, okay, but then we got to reassess. And, you know, here we are. And I think we're both having more fun than we planned. And,

Jason Cox: 26:25

yeah, well, I mean, we're always everywhere I go, I go, that could be a podcast, that could be a podcast, hey, I know a guy. Let's let's maybe that could be a podcast. So. So I know, we're probably driving our spouses crazy with, with our, with our thoughts, some of them will come to fruition, some will. So well, Doc, I'm gonna have to say thank you for roping me into this podcast. I'm really having lots of fun doing it. I'm sure you're being tormented by me. Even more now that we're working together. What's one of the takeaways you've had from the podcast? So far? Maybe we'll do the first takeaway from you being a co creator of the podcast. But is there a takeaway there? You can share with us? Yeah, I

Zack Hartle: 27:08

mean, it's, it's one of those things. It's very fun. But it's tougher than I thought like, I mean, it's so fun doing the recording and talking with the guests. It's surprisingly hard to get people the lesson. I mean, not in that once we get people to listen, I guess we're being getting great feedback from industry. And for everyone we've had listening, I think there's just so much content out there, right? It's getting people to dig through that to find us and us getting into our flow to make things flow a little bit smoother. So that's kind of the takeaway from making the podcast is just that it's funner than I thought, but it's also harder than I thought, if that makes sense.

Jason Cox: 27:52

Well, it makes it's really nice. When we do get the positive feedback. I do have people I talk to now and then and they are they're very positive about the show. They're Hey, we're listening show. I love the show. That's That's great. I that's a great perk for me. What's one of the takeaways that you have from the podcast from one of our episodes? Is there anything like that's memorable from any of the episodes so far?

Zack Hartle: 28:17

They all they all stand out for, you know, various reasons that I think the most interesting one to me, because, I mean, obviously, we've had a few guests on that we like know pretty well. The one that I learned the most, I think was Scott from the IBEW. I'd never worked for the IBEW I never knew anything about the union. You know, like, other than what you hear around, and I'm pretty good at not, you know, taking rumor for truth. So that was the most interesting one to me in terms of I kind of learned the most. But yeah, I think all of our guests have just been like so passionate about whatever they're here to talk about. Right? And that's been it makes you feel good, right? Like to have these people in the industry, you want to come on the show, and they want to share what they're passionate about, and why they're passionate about it. That's been pretty eye opening as well. And I'm really looking forward to our future episodes to just keep getting that and then as you say, the positive feedback from industry as well. I mean, yeah, it's wonderful to hear that people liked the show and that people are excited that we have put together a show connecting industry like we are

Jason Cox: 29:35

and I mean, I'm really excited about like when you said the passion because we have our guests have all been very interested invested people in our industry. And I mean, it's it's so nice to see. I'm really interested I didn't say in the past, but I may have but I'm really interested in in strengthening our trade. We're not just a bunch of wire polar Are assemblers, right? I mean, we're the electrical trade, this is a pretty high end trade. And I think it's important that we continue to tell people that and have that explained in society. I mean, what we do is, it isn't exactly paint by numbers, maybe some days, but, but it's important for us to just keep people aware of just how important our trade is.

Zack Hartle: 30:25

And it's like any task or job or, you know, place to work, right, you can get so siloed into one very small, specific area for years. And just to lose touch, and maybe this podcast will just give a way for people to keep a keep a finger on the pulse of what's going on elsewhere in the trade right about other opportunities and keep engaged in that way. Right?

Jason Cox: 30:50

Well, absolutely. And I mean, I mean, it'll pull us out of our silo and introduce new things like, that's what we're looking for is really, people to pull us into their world. I mean, there's, there's some pretty interesting little narrow, narrow industries out there in the electrical world. And I mean, people have some very successful businesses with a really narrow skill set. I mean, that's, that's something we could look at as well. But, but yeah, you're right. It'd be nice if we could learn more about our trade. Because I mean, back in the day, I didn't know what an industrial electrician was, when I was hired as an electrical apprentice. I was like, I don't know what this is. But I mean, now we can get more information. So

Zack Hartle: 31:35

I think it's coming at it's such a pivotal moment in our trade, right, with this transition away from, you know, traditional oil and gas energy into more renewables and alternatives. Right. We're seeing lots of movement on that side of the industry and how the electricians are involved in that is really cool. Evie charging and even just making existing infrastructure more efficient, right. I mean, the LED lighting thing is kind of a no brainer. Now, no question now. But that's when I came up through the trade right, when I was going from fluorescent lights to LEDs and seeing that transition was cool. So seeing this next big transition is also I don't know, interesting. I find,

Jason Cox: 32:17

yeah, you're you're totally right. We're, I mean, we're moving now with with some of the international politics and treaties for energy now. Yeah, it's, it's, it's coming. And our industry is adopting slowly, and there's going to be lots of growth and lots of opportunities to learn. So hopefully, we can introduce some of that to our listeners. And hopefully, we can learn more about that ourselves. So. So I think we're gonna wrap that, Zach. So I just want to say, Do you have any closing thoughts?

Zack Hartle: 32:48

Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm gonna pretty much copy exactly what you said on the last show. I just, if you're listening, and you've been listening, we want to hear from you. We want to know what you guys want to hear about where we're at promise you we're working hard to try and find some interesting guests. But if anyone has any suggestions for future episodes, or you know, listener questions they want us to find an answer to for them, send us send them our way. Facebook, either of us on LinkedIn, Instagram, whatever works for you reach out to us, let us know. Yeah, it's, it's been an experience and I'm looking forward to get going I know we're, you know, off behind the scenes where we're looking at some ways and making the podcast a little more accessible and you know, maybe getting some intro music, you know, things like that. So, yeah, kind of my own thoughts there.

Jason Cox: 33:41

Yeah, we got to get a little a little sassy or I guess step up our game a little bit. So so we're we are available on all on all the podcast download sites on Spotify on Apple and Google, right. And you can find all that stuff on our website. Our website is Watt's the Word podcast.com. Yep, see, I got it right. And that was going to be Zacks job. Zach's of course known for like and subscribe. I've been told this many times by people that have watched his YouTube channel. And so I hope you continue to do that with Zack's YouTube channel and checking us out on Watt's the Word podcast. So behalf of myself and my co host, I'd like to thank you for being on the show today, Zack. Yeah.

Zack Hartle: 34:29

Well, thank you very much. Thanks for the chat.